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1 CTF Flag Carrier Hiding Places - InnerSantums on Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:01 am

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NOTE: Post subscription update in QL, some of these are now not possible. I have marked these in red. In addition; under the bridge is also not possible.

I originally wrote this for the QL forums, but did not post it...

This is about hiding for a Flag Carrier, to give them a respite from running around being shot at, about making it harder for the other team to find you whilst you wait for your own flag to be returned.

There appears to be quite a few neat little hideaways on CTF levels, the best in my view is InnerSantums - which I am concentrating on here, as this is where I first found out about them.

I first started to think about this when I saw someone 'hiding' on the Quake Live sign above the RL (on InnerSanctums), I then found I could get to the lamps next to the sign. So I set about doing a thorough search of the level for hideaways...

But firstly, you need to know that both ends of InnerSantums are different. There are several hideaways that are only possible on the Blue side, so the Blue side have a definite advantage for hiding!

Hideaway 1. - The lamps above the RL, this one is available both ends. This is a simple RJ, see demo hideway1.dm_73. I have seen several people use this.

Hideaway 2. - The ledge between arches on the lower level entrance, above the RL & RG ammo. I like this one as it is quick and easy to use, but it is only possible at the Blue end!. Again a simple RJ, see demo hideaway2.dm_73 (this shows ledges on both sides).

Hideaway 3. - Even after my search, I did miss this one! A friend showed me this after he had seen someone else hiding there. This is the QL logo sign above the MH, this is at both ends, but the view is definitely different. This is a RJ, then a RJ off the wall (best if you use Scout), see demo hideaway3.dm_73

Hideaway 4. - The lamp near the Doubler. This is my favourite, as you have quick access to the Base Flag and it is out of the normal visual line, but like 2, is only possible at the Blue end. Again a simple RJ, see demo hideaway4.dm_73

I have also included 'ground' view demos of the above hideaways to show how visible they are.

There are also quite a few other semi-hideaways and perch spots on InnerSanctums (including under the bridge, but I don't think it is possible to get back up from there), I have also found good spots on Scornforge, Rebound & Base Siege, and still looking... but I'll leave you to find them for yourselves.

If you do hide:-

1. Look around first and ensure you are not being observed!
2. Let your team know, once hidden.
3. Be prepared to move quickly if spotted! In most cases your would have Scout - so practice quick spin rocket jumps out!

Addendum: Before doing this article, I did a search on the forums, but found only minimal posts that relate to this. After doing this article, and before posting it, I did another couple of searches, and did find this post:-

http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27681&highlight=hiding

As they say, nothing is new! - ElKrusto pointed out Hideaway 2.

TcheQ's reply is wrong (in every respect), I have used this many times and only been spotted once (after giving big hints!).

I was interested in the reply post about red hiding spots - but these are ALL available on the blue side. The pictures attached by Brampton:-

1: This is Hideaway 1

2: Lamp/ledge on the lower level, near Hideaway 3 - highly visible to players moving about the lower level.

3 (4): Lamps above the mine/chain guns - again both are highly visible to players coming in under the doorways.

4 (5): This is a perch spot above the central bridge (use mine jump) - again highly visible.

5 (6): Tribute to the RHCP - Under the Bridge - This is great, only I see no way of returning without dying! So, not much use... Anyone know better, demos please!

In my research, I did know about all the above, but excluding 1, they are highly visible, so I never included them as hiding spots

I am glad to see Hideaway 2 and Hideaway 4 are not included in this post, or anywhere else I could find (although I could well be wrong).

Here are the demos -

mediafire.com ?dgznihmmfyz

You need to save & unzip the the file to C:\Documents and Settings\XXX\Application Data\id Software\quakelive\home\baseq3\demos - where XXX is your Windows username/login. If you start a Windows Explorer (Start, All Programs, Accessories) and cut/paste the below line into the Address box and press enter.

%AppData%\id Software\quakelive\home\baseq3\demos


To play the demos:-

If you use FireFox - go to
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/14318
and install the Quake Live Demo Pkayer addon, restart FireFox - the Demo Player will appear with the Game Settings menu etc.

Otherwise, use this -
http://www.quakelive.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32434
This is the one I personally use.


I have now converted it to video:-



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Just thought i'd chuck this link in here for a super quick and easy way to play demos Smile
http://code.google.com/p/quakeliveoffline/

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it is possible to get back up from under the bridge:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzZPslpDlhk

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Getting under the bridge is quite easy, getting back up is not!

I have not been able to do it or know of anyone who has done it! I don't think it is possible, though I may be wrong.

The only reason to go under the bridge is to deny the enemy acces to the flag (as long as don't know you are there) Smile

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5 I like this on Wed May 12, 2010 9:08 am

Will check out and then kill ratty (in game)

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okushama wrote:it is possible to get back up from under the bridge:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzZPslpDlhk

Wow, that is a good solution. I will have to try that!

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But with the rocket to mine jump it damages quite a lot of health (especially with no/little armour) so you'd have to be pretty cautious as to when you use it. Although, it's definately a good place to hide if you're a couple of caps infront of the opposing team Smile

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DizzyDreams wrote:
But with the rocket to mine jump it damages quite a lot of health (especially with no/little armour) so you'd have to be pretty cautious as to when you use it. Although, it's definately a good place to hide if you're a couple of caps infront of the opposing team Smile

Yes, I should of added that! Embarassed

Guard would greatly help, but if you had Scout you would not receive any splash damage at all - only fall damage.

EDIT: I did it! It is not that difficult with Guard! see here:-

mediafire.com ?i2zymvjkfm2

EDIT: And here (I have found the CJ + strafe jump more reliable to get under the bridge):-

mediafire.com ?vzmylzhyg2g

I have also found, that you can get back up easily with just two mines.

Check the damage is not to bad! It would be better with Scout, but I have trouble getting a controlled jump under the bridge with Scout Rolling Eyes

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this frustrates me

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Ahh, the Q3 Schools vids, some great stuff there.

Some of the tricks are very practical for CTF, some is good for flash showing off in CTF, and the rest is just plan showing off! Very Happy

Check out the KimmyGibbler CTF vids (very talented girl).

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great! now i hate kimmy gibbler!

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omg look at the spam on that one and a gob too match!


EDIT: quick translation
spam = forhead
gob = mouth

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spam = forhead
gob = mouth
Thanks for the translation Griff, I honestly wouldn't have known what you meant otherwise Razz

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hey hey hey, I really didn't have known.
I know spam only as spam-emails and breakfastmeat.

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yeah its a big forehead too, back in the day anyone with a "spam" would get "spammed"


spammed = slap on the forehead Razz

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okay, make jokes about my lack of knowledge relating to slang words, but the day will come when you want to order a bavarian veal sausage and don't know what to say and I will be only laughing!

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Alles klar!

I didn't realise the name was based on a sitcom character, doh.

PS We will have to create an English urban dictionary for you, Dr_K Razz

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LOL if noone noticed DR_K's pic is Britney spears XD

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okushama wrote:LOL if noone noticed DR_K's pic is Britney spears XD
Omfg I just noticed!? D: That's weird...



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Ratware wrote:PS We will have to create an English urban dictionary for you, Dr_K

That would be nice, i'm dependent on your tips. My english is a horrible mixture from school english, song lyrics and phrases from porn-sites you cute creampie.

But after checkin it I conclude that:
corrado is from italy
miss_lana is from norway
omu_cu_pusca is from romania
rupesh is from nepal (?)
subzero is from netherlands and
warmachine is from india

I expected to be one of two who are not from the uk.



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okushama wrote:LOL if noone noticed DR_K's pic is Britney spears XD
Omfg I just noticed!? D: That's weird...

She's the REAL Dr.Kolossus!

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Dr_K, I was just joking about the urban dictionary for you Very Happy

And NEVER be ashamed or embarrassed by your ability to speak English. Your level of English is far better than my pigeon German (French or Spanish), and probably (statistically) a lot better than any of us UK members ability with foreign languages.

I, on the other hand, am embarrassed by my countries lack of education of foreign languages - if you go to almost any country, a high portion of the people have at least a basic level of English - which, I think is amazing, especially the amount of Europeans that speak English! Compared to how many English can speak a European language...

Personal rant over...

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Ratware: I, on the other hand, am embarrassed by my countries lack of education of foreign languages - if you go to almost any country, a high portion of the people have at least a basic level of English - which, I think is amazing, especially the amount of Europeans that speak English! Compared to how many English can speak a European language...
I speak standard French (like most people) and pretty much standard Japanese. Oh plus I can do a pretty mean Australian accent Very Happy (which techniqually isn't a different language but you get the gist) This has made me curious though... What languages can you guys speak?

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Ratware wrote:Dr_K, I was just joking about the urban dictionary for you Very Happy
hehe yeah, I knew it was a joke. But I'm always happy about to get some slang-words along the way.


Ratware wrote:
And NEVER be ashamed or embarrassed by your ability to speak English. Your level of English is far better than my pigeon German (French or Spanish), and probably (statistically) a lot better than any of us UK members ability with foreign languages.
thank you. But you never heard me speak. A few years ago I was in barcelona with some friends and they talked to some girls. I went to them and said ONE SENTENCE in english (can't remember what) and they answered "Oh you're also from germany? Then let's talk english"
You speak a little bit german?

Ratware wrote:
I, on the other hand, am embarrassed by my countries lack of education of foreign languages - if you go to almost any country, a high portion of the people have at least a basic level of English - which, I think is amazing, especially the amount of Europeans that speak English! Compared to how many English can speak a European language...
English is comparative easy to learn and THAT world language. I don't know if I would try to learn a foreign language that hard, when my native language would be english.

I speak a little bit french, but not enough to survive one day in France.

Dizzy you speak standard Japanese? I've started to learn it, but it's a real pain in the arse! I decided to practice my english and french first. Maybe doin a placement in England or France.
How do you learned it?

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Dizzy: I am impressed!

That is something to be proud of, and does put you in the minority (statistically speaking) of us in the UK.

My French was quite good at one point (long ago, in school), now it is pidgeon French at best Sad. I can barely remember any German or Spanish, woe is me.

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LOL, right 1st offffffff:


* I wish I was though another language from a young age, Ratty is right, THIS country sux at teaching the youth foreign languages, my school only offered french, of course with an english teacher that only knew the standard french that even a student getting A* would know

* Being offered french i turned my nose up at it, i wasn't interested in french as Pokémon was dubbed in english Razz

* dizzys knowledge of Japanese started when i get into anime and Japanese music, i too know limited japanese, maybe not as much spoken as Dizzy but i can write in Katakana Very Happy

* Alot of eurpoean languages are easy to "guess" in the terms of similarity of english

* I think it's great we have a mixture of languages floating about the RAIL clan as not only does it give us ignorant UK citizens a chance to learn a little german, dutch, russian ect, but it lets you guys know cool slang and other stuff, when Rupesh first added me he said hello, i sad yo and KAPOW, rupesh learnt a cool slang Very Happy

oh and i mean no harm in this, i just wanted to rant too Very Happy

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